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The Ydeals Noise-Free Guide To Getting The Best Deal On Flights From Thunder Bay to Arizona
 | There are thousands of travel sites out there, all wanting you to believe they have unique or special prices on airfares to Arizona. They don't. They use marketing noise to hide the fact that there is really only one source of unique prices on flights from Thunder Bay to Arizona. This guide will remove the noise and show you what that source is, so you can stop wasting so much time when searching for the best deal. |
What are the unique sources of prices on flights from Thunder Bay to Arizona?
Unique Source #1 - The Major Airlines
There are 5 major airlines that offer fares from Thunder Bay to Arizona, and they are: Air Canada, American Airlines, Delta, United Airlines, and WestJet
How many major airports does Arizona have?
Phoenix (PHX) is by far the most common Arizona airport for tourists and the major airlines to fly in and out of.
Other, less commonly used airports that it's possible to fly into from Thunder Bay are:
- Tucson (TUS)
- Yuma (YUM)
- Page (PGA)
Where should I look to get the best deal?
All you need to do is search all the major airlines, preferably at once. My current favorite way to do this would be using Google Flights Explorer because you can just enter 'Phoenix (PHX)' into the 'To' box, and see current airfares from all the major airlines, to Phoenix, at one time. Not to mention how easy it is to browse through different date combinations.
Even if you're planning to go for a longer date range than Google Flight Explorer supports (currently up to 2 weeks), it will give you an excellent idea of what the typical bottom price is right now, and which airline(s) it can be found on.
If you are interested in other airports in Arizona, you may need to use Kayak. It has all the sort and filter options I need, and searches all major airlines. Click on 'Make my dates flexible' and set it to '+/- 3 days'. You may be surprised how often being a little flexible with your dates can result in a better price.
In the 'To' box on Kayak, enter in the name of the city in Arizona you want to fly to.
What about the thousands of other travel sites that have airfares to Arizona?
This is the noise. There is no shortage of travel sites or vacation brands trying to convince you that they have the cheapest flights from Thunder Bay to Arizona. The truth is though, there's only one unique source of prices that they're gathering their prices from, and that's the prices from the major airlines themselves. They can't offer a lower price than the airline itself, as there's already virtually no markup.
There's a few reasons why I think travellers waste an enormous amount of time checking multiple websites, hoping for a better deal than the one they already found (studies show it to be an average of 22 different sites over 10 periods of research!). The first reason is just human nature. We all want to compare prices and make sure we're getting the best deal.
But I think the biggest reason is simply the noise of travel marketing. With so many travel sites and brands competing for your attention, all hoping you'll book through them, combined with the fact that not one of them will *ever* admit to you that their source of prices is the same as everyone else, it's little wonder travelers waste so much time searching.
What about searching the airline's website directly?
There's nothing wrong with doing that. It's usually just a lot easier to search all of the airlines at once, with a better interface using a good search tool. It's amazing how poor many of the airline's search interfaces are. The fares found on any half-decent search engine will be the same as the fares found on the airline's own website.
One thing you can do is just use a search tool to search all the airlines at once, and then go to the airline's own site to book it once you've figured out exactly which flight you want, and what the price is.
Another thing to be aware of is that the more sophisticated travel search engines can combine flights from multiple airlines to find cheaper options, especially on international flights, that you won't find on the airline's website.
What about my local Thunder Bay travel agency or independent travel agent?
They're seeing the same prices you are. Depending on the agency or agent, they may or may not charge you a 'booking fee' on top of the airfare price, for their time. As there's virtually no markup on the cost of flights, they can't offer you a price that's any cheaper than from the airline, or from a search tool that properly searches the latest airfares.
When should I book my trip to get the best price?
This is never an easy question to answer, as airfares are not 100% predictable. Airlines start by setting their price at a level they think will fill the maximum number of seats, based on the demand they expect to see. If they experience less demand than they expected, they may decide to lower them. If they experience more demand than they expected, they may raise them. Unfortunately, a lot of factors that influence demand can be unpredictable.
How long a person can wait it out in hopes of a better price is a personal decision. Personally though, I am usually not afraid to watch prices on the major airlines up to about 8 weeks before departure in hopes of a better price without fear of the price rising. But everyone has a different tolerance for risk.
What about last minute deals on Arizona flights?
Last minute airfare deals to Arizona on the major airlines don't really exist. Typical of most airfares on the major airlines, as you get fairly close to the departure date, if the airline has done their job correctly, and filled most of the seats on the plane, they feel the last remaining seats become more valuable, and often decide to raise the price.
What's a decent price to Arizona on the major airlines?
From Thunder Bay, flights to Arizona on the major airlines tend to bottom out around $550 - $650 roundtrip after taxes. Airfares to Phoenix (PHX) are usually the cheapest. This is just a general guideline though, based on average demand periods of the year.
Airfare prices are highly affected by demand. So anytime you can think of a reason that there might be higher demand than usual for travel to Arizona (such as dates when many people in Thunder Bay have vacation time) you can expect prices to react accordingly.
What about one way flights to Arizona?
You should be able to fly to most cities in Arizona for about 50-60% of the cost of a roundtrip flight. Use the same search techniques as for round-trip flights, and just change the search option in your favorite search tool to 'one-way'.
What about non-stop flights to Arizona?
From Thunder Bay, there are not currently any airlines that fly direct to Arizona. The fastest it can typically be done is flying into Phoenix (PHX) with around 8 hours of total travel time on the way there (including layover time), and around 6 hours coming home.
United's flights tend to be the quickest, especially when it involves just one stop, in Chicago. Air Canada's flights with one stopover each way in Toronto are also a decent option.
What about a multi-city flight? Such as into Phoenix and out of another city in Arizona?
Searching for multi-city flights in travel is still a bit of a pain. Even Google Explorer currently can't handle it, as there's too many possible combinations. I'm sure eventually someone (likely Google) will put enough processing power behind it and create something useful for searching multi-city fares.
But for now, you're stuck with searching one departure date at a time when it comes to multi-city fares and experimenting with different destination combinations. Most of the decent travel sites will offer a multi-city option (it should be right next to 'one-way' and 'round-trip').
Kayak would be my preferred option here. Just click on the 'multi-city' option and in the first box, enter in Thunder Bay (YQT) to Phoenix (PHX), or whatever airport you want to fly into, and then in the second box, enter Tucson (TUS) to Thunder Bay, or whatever airport you want to fly out of.
You never really know what you're going to get with a multi-city fare. From Thunder Bay to Arizona, it can often be around the same price as a typical roundtrip fare to the same destinations (or an average of the two). Sometimes it can be slightly more. In rare cases it can even be cheaper. Of course, you're still left with figuring out the cost of getting between the two airports.
One little trick I've learned with Kayak is to keep it on the 'roundtrip' option, and make your dates flexible (3 days before and after). And then in the 'To' box, enter up to a maximum of 4 destinations, using the 3 letter airport codes, separated by commas. For example, you could enter: PHX, TUS, YUM
This will search flights to all 3 of these popular Arizona cities at once, and look for cheap multi-city combinations into one city and out of another. Many of the results will just be the typical roundtrip flights, but when you scroll down the results, look for the airport codes that are highlighted in pink. These are the flights involving two different cities.
To use this method effectively, you need to get to know the 3 letter airport codes for the destinations you're interested in. Just Google the name of the city, followed by 'airport code' and you should be able to find it quite easily. (Google usually shows it at the top, or on the right hand side of the page).
What about cheap flights to Arizona from U.S. airports within driving distance of Thunder Bay?
If you've ever read my guide about flying out of U.S. Airports within driving distance of Thunder Bay, you may know that I feel it could be worth the drive, when you see a flight from a U.S. airport to Arizona that's at least a certain number of dollars less per person than from Thunder Bay.
How much cheaper it needs to be depends on which U.S. airport you're flying from. Below, I'll list how much cheaper I feel it should be from each U.S. airport, to be worth the drive.
From Duluth, Minnesota (DLH)
I feel it could be worth the drive, when you see a flight from Duluth to Arizona that's at least $375 less per person than a flight from Thunder Bay. The best chance would likely be on Allegiant Air, with their low cost flights to Phoenix.
From Minneapolis, Minnesota (MSP)
I feel it could be worth the drive, when you see a flight from Minneapolis to Arizona that's at least $550 less per person than a flight from Thunder Bay. Considering that would mean the flight would need to be practically free, it's not overly likely to be worth the drive in most cases.
I think I've found a great deal on a flight to Arizona!
Excellent! Please share it with your fellow travel lovers, they will appreciate it and thank you for it! You can post it in the YQT Deals Facebook group (click 'Join Group', at the top-right, when you arrive), where thousands of people from Thunder Bay are crowd-sourcing the best deals, and sharing great travel advice.
Or if you prefer, you can always give me a shout through the YQT Deals contact form or on Twitter @YQTdeals or through Google Plus. Great deal finds are always appreciated.
Why should I trust this Thunder Bay guide to Arizona travel?
 | The info in this guide is based on my observations of the travel industry over the years, including all the thousands of websites out there, and where all the different players get their prices from and how they interact with each other. The goal is to remove the noise of travel marketing, so people can stop wasting so much valuable time searching the same prices over and over. |
But, as social proof of it's accuracy, feel free to join the YQT Deals Facebook Group (click 'Join Group', at the top-right, when you arrive) and publicly disagree with any of it, or make a comment below. Critiques are always welcome!
I think I have some info that could help improve the Arizona flight deal guide!
Great! Please post your info in the Facebook group above, or contact me directly. Suggestions for improvement are always appreciated. Let me know if you see something that seems inaccurate or outdated.
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